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Koukl makes the point that maybe the feeling of guilt that is observed and felt universally, is there because we maybe actually are guilty. Christianity gives an answer for that, by the way. It would line up with the idea of there being a moral law. Is the right answer to a universal observation to play games or assign things like that its just a social construction? Koukl suggests its true moral guilt, and the answer that would "right things" would be forgiveness.

Baker uses the point of John Stuart Mill, and his 'crazy idea' that women are equals with men. Then he brings up the idea of a bi racial relationship as examples equal to the horrors Greg brought up, of genocide etc. He compares same sex marriages to parallel the horrors Koukl brings up. He, Baker, says he finds it disturbing.....